DOT: Capital Punishment Options

[Yuso]

Discussion of Today: Capital Punishment

Is being put to a death sentence the right thing to do?

[Charlie?!]

I'd rather die from lethal injection then rott in a prison cell.

[dS * - » мя.т]

It's kind of hard to say so or not, but it totally depends on the situation.
Everyone deserves a second chance in my view, but some people out there will not learn from their mistakes

[TommyC]

well it depend on the severity of the crime. if a dude goes on a shooting spree and pwns like, 20 people, yes he should be put to death.
well, imo.

[LobsterBibby]

i believe that no human should be able to take the life of another human under an circumstances.
thats my opinion though, if you really want revenge on them id think youd want them to suffer from something other than death.

[Yuso]

Well.. Here's something from my tumblr.

I just remembered this when we did this in Elective History in Year 9/Year 10. Death penatly is when someone is to put to death for a crime that they have done. Honestly, my opinion is that no one deserves to be killed. We are all given the privilege of life. I don’t find how killing a person can make up for the crime that they’ve done. How is the person going to learn from what they’ve done if they are just killed in the end? Okay, they could have killed someone or even been a terrorist but seriously, is killing people the right solution? Make them learn that what they did was wrong. I think killing criminals is just an easy way out. Do they think that killing people is the fastest and easiest solutions so they don’t have to bother with then anymore? Honestly, we are all humans. Remember that these people have families too. There are other methods of punishment such as imprisonment and community service. Some countries still use Death Penalty so it’s disappointing. What can you do? It’s politics. I think some countries just use the Death penalty because imprisonment of criminals is getting expensive but yet again, corruption is all around us. Some people that have been killed through the Death Penalty were found innocent; days,months or even years later.

So my opinion is that we don’t need to be killing people. Give the person a chance to learn from their mistakes and try to make them a better person.

Just saying.

So I said:

Just throwing in thoughts as I’ve had this argument with others before.

It takes guts to kill.. And by guts I mean a troubled mind. Giving a person with such a mind like that is dangerous and can leave to more fatalities. Giving this person into therapy would cost the government money and its like as if people don’t complain about money and unemployment rates already.

Someone who has killed most of the time has had nothing at all from the start so a heated prison cell with government funded food is basically luxurious for the criminal. Even a life sentence is pointless, I see no point in high secure prisons when they just sit there for life. Isn’t the point of a citizen supposed to be to contribute to society, what is it that they are contributing to the society?
Nothing. Infact they’re what you’re contributing into.
There’s a difference between armed robbery and murder. Armed robbery may be corrected maybe it’s just a former/minor case of kleptomania. Murder on the other hand is vile and is something that is not happened spontaneously.


And the families of the killed, I doubt they think that a jail cell is fit for someone who has killed who used to be theirs.

It’s just one thing you need to get in to your mind, it’s that most of humanity is disgusting. I could pull in facts and all that jazz, but it’s just true. You can deny it all you want, but it’s the truth.

I believe in an eye for an eye type judgment.
Kill who has killed.

After all.. Isn’t offering someone free bedding and food just promoting murder.

[TommyC]

well, even if it is a crule punishment, its crule to kill others.
and i only think its necessary when its premetitated murder. not if it was like an accidental homicide

[Ben.]

I think this is really hard topic. But i dont agree with the death penalty.

If i killed someone, the family of the victim will suffer for a lifetime, the person murdered will never come back. If i was killed, my suffering is over. But if i stayed in prison, i will continue to suffer untill i die.

You might be thinking, death is more of a punishment, but i dont think it is. The offender will suffer more in prison than in death. We dont know what happends when we die, for all we know, everyone coud be in heaven.

[TommyC]

but some people cherish their lives. if you take that away, thats the ultimate punishment and the murderer got what they deserved

[Yuso]

well, even if it is a crule punishment, its crule to kill others.
and i only think its necessary when its premetitated murder. not if it was like an accidental homicide

Accidental homicide?.. You're talking about something else then, that's manslaughter.

We're talking about murder here.

But if i stayed in prison, i will continue to suffer untill i die.

Suffer?..
Right...

[Ben.]

but some people cherish their lives. if you take that away, thats the ultimate punishment and the murderer got what they deserved

something i forgot to say before, you say they get what they deserve, but what IF somebody was wrongly accussed, and was killed for something he/she didnt do. You cant reverse the death penalty.

[Yuso]

You've never read up on how complicated a court system is then...

[Ben.]

You've never read up on how complicated a court system is then...

I know how complicated the court system is....i studied law at college

I dont know what its like in Canada. but in the UK the Jury has to find the defendent guilty beyond reasonable doubt. But even then, there ARE cases when people have been convicted of murder but have been released from prison because they were wrongly convicted

[» *mr.lee]

*sigh*
we could go on forever about this

I personally think Capital Punishment should exist, but ONLY in heavy circumstances, be reasonble... if someone has killed 20 people in their lifetime, then they would be considered seriously dangerous? Having the guts too take 20 lifes away is something inhuman, therefore they shoulden't be put on this ground because of the danger they can commit.

I'm not talking about equality & human rights, i'm talking about making it safe for others, yes sure you can put them into prison and let them suffer, but who says they can't kill again? They have that option in prison, they have links outside prison, they have people to do their dirty work. People like this should not be given a second chance. You know what they say 'once a killer, always a killer' it applies to many other similar dilemmas aswell, 'once a cheat, always a cheat' blah blah.

Let me ask you, if Hitler never died, and the goverment decided it's time to put him to death, you would disagree with it? I'm not going to discriminate but here's me speaking the truth! I don't know the Jewish, I have nothing against them, but it dosen't mean I like them either, they are a neutral community to me, therefore when people talk about the holocaust, I woulden't feel sympathetic like others would, BUT... It dosen't mean I insult Hitler or ask for him to be put to death, that I want to defend the Jewish, I want the world to be safe, I want my family to be safe, I want Hitler to be gone for everyone's safety.

Like I said, it should only occur for heavy circumstances, if one kills another only due to self defence, and the result is dealth penalty because the goverment believes in a life for a life, THEN... that will be bullshit.

I rather know a murderer who used to live 2 blocks away from me is dead and out of this world rather than knowing he will return in 30 years time.

[Yuso]

Its not societies fault that the person is wrongly convicted (which hardly ever happens anyways). Isn't it the accused's fault for not defending his/her self? Courts were made to sentence people and to also make sure that noone is wrongly convicted. I don't know about the UK but the accused has to go through 3 different stages before he/she is sentenced to avoid such an error to happen.

If you can supply me with a case in which a person has been sentenced to death while being innocent I'd like to see it.

[» *mr.lee]

^ Yeah unforunately if you kill another one because of self defence in this country, you are NOT innoncent.

in USA your allowed to defend yourself under any circumstance, even with weapons such as guns.

I've not heard of many, but theres this one dude in the UK, who was about to get robbed, he got tied up and everything... and then he's friend came in and battered the thief with a baseball bat and the thief ran off.

What happend? The guy getting robbed got sentanced to 3 years jail.

[Yuso]

Thats still indifferent from being sentenced to death. From what I know of, being sentenced to time in jail happens every now and then.
Being sentenced to death while being innocent however, rarely happens. Which is what I'm trying to say.

And damn... That's stupid, sentenced for self defense..

[Ben.]

Its not societies fault that the person is wrongly convicted (which hardly ever happens anyways). Isn't it the accused's fault for not defending his/her self? Courts were made to sentence people and to also make sure that noone is wrongly convicted. I don't know about the UK but the accused has to go through 3 different stages before he/she is sentenced to avoid such an error to happen.

If you can supply me with a case in which a person has been sentenced to death while being innocent I'd like to see it.

According to the Chicago Tribune, the Texas Forensic Science Commission has received a report from a nationally known fire scientist that casts doubt on the guilt of Cameron Todd Willingham (pictured) who was executed in Texas in February 2004. Craig Beyler of Hughes Associates conducted a review for the Commission of the evidence used to convict Willingham of murder by arson, which led to his death sentence. Beyler concluded the Texas fire investigators had no basis to rule that a deadly house fire that killed Willingham's children was an arson. His report mirrors what other renowned experts have found over the past several years and is one step in a more thorough review being conducted by the Science Commission. Experts for the Chicago Tribune and the Innocence Project in New York have similarly concluded that the original investigators relied on outdated theories in calling the fire an arson.

Beyler's report said the Texas investigators failed to consider other potential causes of the fire and contradicted reports from eyewitnesses at the scene. The Forensic Science Commission will now seek a response from the state fire marshall and write its own report.

Theres plenty more cases like this, i got this from a website about the death penalty

[Yuso]

I'm saying.. If not death then it's likely a long or lifetime sentence in jail, I find death and a lifetime sentence being the same thing, just one is more costly than the other.

It's also a case of just raw attorney defense, if such contradictions have appeared why has the defensed not called upon it?

[» *mr.lee]

when speaking lifetime sentance, do you mean lifetime literally?

lifetime is 20 years, which is a bit stupid lol.

[Ben.]

^

yeah, in the UK life isnt life.

Sometimes the evidence can look overwhelming (spelt wrong i know) that the defence really dont have a chance.

[Yuso]

I still find it to be the same thing, a person with such a criminal record like that and while also being imprisoned for such a long time doesnt have very much life to live.

And jails being "correctional facilities" don't exactly make anybody in there when they come out the happiest person.

[Ben.]

I think its different. You say that being in prison, you dont have very much life to live. But you do still have a life.

I just think that punishing someone for murder, by killing them isnt a punishment. A punishment would be to make them suffer in prison for life.

[»Ss«Nicoo]

"treat others the way you wish to be treated"
even if he goes and kills one person, then that means eh wishes to be treated like that. therefor he brought it among himself.

[Ben.]

"treat others the way you wish to be treated"
even if he goes and kills one person, then that means eh wishes to be treated like that. therefor he brought it among himself.

The person giving the lethal injection wouldnt want that done to him It could apply to both sides. I dont really think that quote is relvant here lol.